Summary of chop-nod analysis telecon of Nov 26, 2008 Mike, Giles, Lero, Tristan, Hiroko, John _____________________________________________________________ Mike's analysis of NGC 1333 IRAS 4: Mike went through his recent posting (of earlier this week) He is inflating errors using point-by-point reduced-chi-squared (rcs), not map-average rcs or cropped-region rcs. (update flag accomplishes this) The point-by-point method has the advantage of not having to specify cropped regions, which are to some extent arbitrary, but it has the disadvantage that one cannot use small bin numbers. So Mike uses 14 bins. As a way to explore whether this misses long-time-scale errors, Mike did some experimentation with 7 bins: The map-average Q and U rcs show only modest increases (< a factor of 1.1) when moving from 14 to 7 bins. This is very encouraging. The P-inflation-factor calculated and outputted by Mikes chi2 program is not currently being used by Mike for his 1333 data analysis. Instead he calculates inflation factors directly from the rcs values, as we have done in the past. Giles is worried that the P-inflation-factors seem too low to be correct. Note that the math is documented in a recent E-mail from Mike to the list-serve. (After the telecon I realized the discrepancy may be related to the non-Gaussian nature of errors in P. In any case, for now its best not to use these P-inflation-factors. Just continue to inflate by the square-root of the rcs.) _____________________________________________________________ New data analysis methods proposed Oct. 20: NOTE: As a reminder, Giles' original suggestion is posted to the chop-nod e-mail archive. Selecting "thread" is the easiest way to see Giles' e-mail, John's reply, and Giles' reply to that. You log in with your e-mail address and the password is the 3-letter acronym for our favorite observatory (all lower case). The URL is given in every sharp-software list-serve e-mail. We discussed an alternative way to implement the super-bin/sub-bin idea. This was suggested by John in his reply to Giles' original e-mail. The idea is to have sharpcombine calculate the rcs for every map point and inflate the errors accordingly. This would allow full implementation of the super-bin/sub-bin idea: We would use sharpcombine to combine sub-bins (in this case individual files) into super-bins and then chi2 to compare super-bins. This sounds simple but in practice it may require modifications to several different subroutines in sharpcombine. Topics for future discussion: Which of the two ways is easier? which is better? who has time to modify sharpcombine in the near future? Note: Discussion between Tristan and John leads to the suggestion that we could implement Q and U background subtraction in sharpcombine in parallel with the super-bin/sub-bin changes, as they are independent improvements. _____________________________________________________________